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Compassion for the Survivors

I have done a lot of artwork for Trauma Recovery University, to illustrate concepts I am learning about.

In #sexabusechat tonight, someone wrote about wanting to embroider “Knock It Off” and “Made With Love” on a pillow.  Others came up with additional phrases, and I thought they would go well on conversation hearts:

and I remembered that Rachel Thompson had shared a conversation hearts generator some time, back during the Valentine’s season.  So I put a few phrases through that generator, and put it to a collage.  The following was the result:

Collage of Survivor Conversation Hearts. Made with and

Now, there is more to be found, but, I figure that it’s just easier to point you dear readers to my Pinterest board.  I avoided Pinterest for the longest time, figuring it was more for moms sharing recipes and the like (like my youngest sister does), but, collecting images on survivorship and recovery from abuse on Pinterest made sense to me, and so I joined.

Oh.  Right.  I guess it’s time to connect my Pinterest account to this blog.  For now, you may find me at The main board I add to is “jak & #NoMoreShame”, but, I do see now that it helps me manage visual content, and so I have a board for Monomyth images, too.

Special thanks to Serins for spotlighting this image

AthenaMoberg-empathyfor 1000 Voices Speak for Compassion, and showing me that my artwork can have an impact, far beyond where I initially put it out.

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The Community of WordPress (Zero to Hero Day 4)

I didn’t really give a full post for the Zero to Hero Day 4 challenge, so I am coming back to it.

Now the assignment reads:  follow five new topics in the Reader, and begin finding blogs (and bloggers) you love.

I wanted to write a bit first about how I came to WordPress, and started following bloggers, and how that’s evolved since I’ve been here.

The largest LJ community to date is Oh No They Didn’t, which focuses on celebrity gossip and pop culture. Some things never change, apparently.

My time at LiveJournal was mostly tied to pretty specific communities.  There was the LARP group (the Camarilla) that introduced me, and then there was the online BBS community I had come from (Grex/

LiveJournal did have gathering spots called “communities”.  I guess they were precursors to what WordPress accomplishes with collaborative blogging features, but they were a little more like forums.  It was a mixed bag– as I posted earlier, one devoted to the Homestar Runner website brought me a stalker.

It was simple, it was short-lived, and sometimes, it was cliquish

VOX had a similar concept called “Groups”.  What is now jak & Cimmy’s Journal Jar was a VOX group Cimmorene started.

VOX didn’t have collaborative tools, but I did get introduced to the concept there.   The first blog I was invited to collaborate on was We Heart Music, and Vu had some HTML wizardry to distinguish all the writers.  My understanding is he’s still doing that at their new home on TypePad.  (TypePad does not have collaboration tools.)

TechsWrite was another blog I was invited to collaborate at during my time at VOX, until Michelle lost interest in it (and got very busy with work again) and turned it over to me.  Actually, the blog was one of hers that she turned into a collaborative project after a discussion we had.

When VOX closed on September 30th, 2010, many of us scrambled to find a place to keep our blog archives.  TypePad (another platform from the parent company) and WordPress were among our options.  I decided to export to both platforms, but decided WordPress was the better option in the long run.

Some looked to Google Reader, which didn’t last too long after that

This closing DID split a lot of our community, and some of us that flocked to WordPress looked to feed readers to keep touch with friends that had gone elsewhere.  This is one reason why I don’t like WordPress’s native Reader feature: it’s specific to WordPress.  There are other reasons, which I’ll save for another time.

Also, the Reader never has been a big source of new blogs for me.  I guess it’s maybe been a starting point, but it’s never quite been something I remember.

The Freshly Pressed spotlight has brought my attention to some blogs, but, it’s difficult for me to really connect in the scores of comments that can bring.  I’ve never been Freshly Pressed (and those scores of comments would probably freak me out– honest, I don’t like THAT much attention).  I’ve gotten a [this is good] spotlight at VOX– again, another story for another time.

You remember this one, right?  I heard it's coming back for Valentine's Day

You remember this one, right? I heard it’s coming back for Valentine’s Day

What has really brought me into the community more is stuff like Come for Company (previously known as Company for Christmas), and haiku challenges at Rob’s Surf Report.  I reblogged To Madame Weebles. Love Garry Weinrib today as it introduced me to even more bloggers even now (I got to know Madame Weebles herself at C4C).  These resources just keep bringing more blogs to look at.

In a way, things have come full circle.  Some of these things have been like LiveJournal’s communities, and VOX’s Groups, and some things have been memes, sort of like the lemmings I knew at LiveJournal, and the memes I knew at VOX– but WordPress bloggers have done more with them.  They wrote more stories behind the answers, and engaged their readers just a little bit more.  5 Truths, 1 Lie prompted me to dig down into the archive and share some things with new readers.

Maybe I cheated a bit on this challenge– but honest, I’ve been exploring blogs a lot, pretty independently of it!

I'm a Zero to Hero Blogger!

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Re: 5 Truths, 1 Lie — Backstories

Once again from the archives, the answers.

Only one person offered a guess this time… what’s up with that?

the tao of jaklumen

All right, since enough time has passed since I made this post, I thought I'd publicly reveal the full truth about them.

(Whattya know, no one pointed out I only told four truths!  I appreciate that you participated and thought it was fun, though.)
1.  About the downstairs neighbor running a brothel– yep, that one's true, although I usually get a few shocked reactions when I tell the story.  It wasn't exactly a nice place to be– our landlady at the time had moods that changed on a dime.  She also took the liberty to explain to our public housing specialist that a past tenant felt the need to streak around the parking lot buck naked.
Besides this story, the county sheriff's department staked out the complex, even knocking on our door and asking us questions about some neighbors.  I was so embarassed when my sister said our fourplex was…

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Re: 5 Truths, 1 Lie– The Missing Item & The Bonus

I found out recently that I had an answer post to this meme, that was also in the archives with the original post I reblogged.

Since I rather liked Aussa’s idea of splitting answers out to two posts, I’m going to start with answer to the sixth item (that I edited in), and the answer to the “bonus” item that appeared in a few Community blogs.

6. Crime and wild children at the apartment complex

True.  This was at a low-income apartment complex, just across the street from a local middle school.  There is something about poverty that brings trouble and cops, like wolves at the door.  My mother was opposed to us living here.  She said she figured the place would go ghetto in about another 10 years.  Granted, it was likely nothing like a real inner-city ghetto, and one of our early neighbors said as much.  Unfortunately, I didn’t have the heart to tell him that perhaps his kids were inviting some of the trouble– like the burglary of their unit.

The kids were indeed wild.  My father tried to be friendly to some of them on one of the days we were moving out, but the manager said flatly, “Don’t bother.  They may be nice to your face, but as soon as you turn around, they’ll say ‘Fuck you.'”

Bonus: False accusations of rape

True.  Please see my comment on Women, rape and restoration… at Kenneth Justice’s blog.  It was most definitely a physical relationship.  I would write more… but it’s too personal right now.


Getting To Know You (Again)

DISCLAIMER- I don’t expect any of my readers to feel obligated to participate in memes, for two following reasons:

  1. I know that one of them is weary of these memes (and has said so publicly). I wish to be respectful of that.
  2. I am not sure I know eleven people (according to rules I was tagged with) who would be interested in participating. See also #1.

Any rules I might cling to would be opt-in, much like Stevil did them. If you want to participate, say so, if you don’t– then don’t. I am willing to ask each willing participant separate questions. Please see this post, at least if you want to know a little bit more about the Ex-VOXer who tagged me. Many of you, I think, already have an idea on how these memes typically operate and this should be so much gravy anyways.

On to the questions!

1. What’s your least favorite food or drink and why?

I have consistently disliked raw celery since I was an infant. It is the intensity of flavor, the texture, and most especially the strings that are left behind if the preparer does not remove them.

I have learned to be okay with celery in some things, like vegetable juice, soup, or something where it blends with other flavors AND it is chopped or diced to the point that texture and strings are gone.

2. If you could be a literary character for one day, in that character’s world (not ours), whom would you choose?

I think it would be fun to be the Incarnation of Time from Piers Anthony’s Incarnations of Immortality series, or even Hypnos, the Incarnation of Sleep (a lesser incarnation). But I would choose to to stay within the mechanics of that universe, and remain a semblance of myself. For example, if I had a day as Time, I would not be the character Norton, who is the mortal that takes on that office. There would have to be some sort of exception, however, since mortals take on offices of Incarnation for life.

3. What person who was born before 1800 would you like to escort around our world for a week, if you could?

George Frideric Handel.

4. Are you left-handed? Right-handed? Both?

I am a boring rightie. My father is left-handed, although his neurologist reports him as ambidextrous. (He is not categorized as naturally ambidextrous, I suspect, and may be considered cross-dominantcross-dominant by other criteria.) My son, who is almost 5, seems to use both hands, even with his rudimentary writing (writing “H” and “O”) a lot. This is something we might ask a specialist about when he is formally diagnosed for Autism Spectrum Disorder.

5. If you have to go outside in heavy rain when you’re wearing very expensive new shoes and have no other footwear available to substitute, what do you do?

What a dandified question. (The less-refined and impolite part of me says, “What a girlie-girl question!”) Interestingly, my current pair of Sketchers dress shoes were damaged by slightly melted snow a few months ago, as its lug soles had the best traction of all my footwear. But they were NOT expensive, and they were purchased by way of an employment program.

I would like my next pair to be very durable, perhaps something from the Doc Marten line, which would be expensive by my own resources. I own a pair of Doc Marten boots, although I don’t wear them as much due to fat and swollen feet (the boots also run a bit narrow). I think they’d be able to survive a heavy rain just fine, particularly if I was careful to clean them afterwards. Good footwear should endure the elements, I think.

6. What’s the food or drink that first pops into your mind when you think of your favorite holiday, and why?

I thought of Chex Mix when I read this question enough times to make an association. I made some last Happy Hallowthankamas with flaxseed corn chips. I think there is great satisfaction in making it yourself, and coming up with your own variations. My paternal grandmother’s recipe, “Nuts & Bolts”, uses Cheerios and pretzel sticks. I often follow it to a degree, but will use a generic/house brand version of Honey Nut Cheerios.

It is possible to substitute Chex with similar cereals like Crispix (Krispies) or Shreddies.

7. Do you yell at other drivers when you’re behind the wheel? If no, why not? — OR – If you don’t drive, do you ever yell at other people when you know they can’t hear you? If no, why not?

I am known to curse, swear, and show rude gestures to people driving poorly. I am working on that, however. I do not want to become a road rage statistic– either as an aggressor, or as a casualty. I can’t control drivers “driving like bozos”, but I can work on my attitude about it.

8. What’s your least favorite day of the year and why?

I don’t know.

9. How much starlight do you think you’d need in order to get a star burn?

I don’t know. Sol, our sun, is classified as a yellow dwarf. It would probably depend on the star and my proximity to it, wouldn’t it? It’d also depend whether I was within the atmosphere of Earth, the emptiness of space, or on another planetary body (moons as well as planets).

10. What do you do when you stub your toe so hard that it feels like you broke it?

It hurts like hell, but I usually try to pull or gently stretch it, particularly if it’s “jammed”. Usually, though, I just get an awful bruise, particularly on pinky toes. I’ve worked very hard on my balance since my back got really bad, but sometimes I stumble anyways, particularly when I’m tired and/or stressed.

11. How many blogs do you think there are on the internet?

I won’t attempt to speculate. There might be as many as the four billion people on this Earth, but I’m certain some have none and others have a handful they’ve created. Some are for individuals, and some for organizations. There are too many variables to consider, especially as “blog” is not well-defined here. Can “social networks” be included? Is it a “short-form” or a “long-form” blog? It all depends.


Re: 5 Truths, 1 Lie — Backstories

All right, since enough time has passed since I made this post, I thought I'd publicly reveal the full truth about them.

(Whattya know, no one pointed out I only told four truths!  I appreciate that you participated and thought it was fun, though.)
1.  About the downstairs neighbor running a brothel– yep, that one's true, although I usually get a few shocked reactions when I tell the story.  It wasn't exactly a nice place to be– our landlady at the time had moods that changed on a dime.  She also took the liberty to explain to our public housing specialist that a past tenant felt the need to streak around the parking lot buck naked.
Besides this story, the county sheriff's department staked out the complex, even knocking on our door and asking us questions about some neighbors.  I was so embarassed when my sister said our fourplex was on the local television news.
2. Yes, Donald Virgil Bluth really is my dad's cousin.  I looked up the genealogy myself.  His mother Emaline was my paternal grandfather's sister.  My paternal grandmother used to tell us what Emaline had told her about what he was doing– I remember finding out about An American Tail before it was released, although we had no idea what it was about, exactly.
3. However, I did not investigate distant relations to Mitt Romney very well other than Wikipedia, but Wikipedia at least had a family tree that looked authentic enough.  If I need to, I can do some more thorough research.  If you don't like the man's politics, well, I'm very sorry but I did say distant and it's not too likely I will ever meet him.  All I'm going to say is that he made his bed with the GOP (and had to appease them and shift some moderate stances) and there were Christian Coalition members that didn't like him because, well, with them, they think us Mormons don't believe in the same Jesus they do.  What the hell ever.
4. Two of you correctly guessed that this was the lie.  I did take guitar studies, but I've never played an electric bass (yet) in a band.  However, those might be my influences if I did make one.
5. This was at Ricks College, which is now BYU-Idaho.  All I'm going to say about that one.

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5 Truths, 1 Lie

As seen at Skoolie‘s VOX.  She says:

So what is truth and what is fiction? What is the one lie?  and I want all of my friends to do this. It should be fun so even if you don’t comment here, do your own, I’d love to see it.
As some of you know, dear readers, I do enjoy memes and quizzes of this sort.  Its original form is “2 Truths, 1 Lie”, so if you wish to share only two and not five, that’s fine, but for curiosity’s sake, five helps that “getting to know you” objective so I do invite you to give five if you can.
1.  An apartment we lived in was quite an experience.  It was a fourplex on the corner of a busy street and a quiet one.  One of our downstairs neighbors just below us decided to get the bright idea of becoming a madam and running a brothel out of her unit.  So for a while at any given time we would have nowhere to park because of all the vehicles occupying that tiny little parking lot.  The booze would flow and the music was loud late into the night– one evening Cimmorene went down and knocked on the door asking them to turn it down.  She said the girl that answered the door appeared to be inebriated and to be sizing her up for a trick.  Another evening I came home with my daughter, who was all but 2 or 3 at the time, after keeping her busy for the day.  One of the girls was at the foot of the stairs with a john and so I played it cool.  Oddly enough, it hadn’t sunk in what she was doing although ironically my thought was “She looks like a whore!”  Probably best I didn’t immediately realize– looking back, what could I have said?  “Say bye bye to the nice whore, Princess”…?
2. The animator Don Bluth, who created movies such as An American Tail, The Secret of NIMH, and Anastasia is my father’s cousin.  His middle name is Virgil.
3. I’m also distantly related to Mitt Romney, former contender for the 2008 Republican presidential nomination and governor of Massachussetts.
4. After finishing up music studies at Central Washington University, I took my newfound guitar skills and started playing bass in an electropunk band.  We called ourselves “Cyberstank” and said we were influenced by Kraftwerk, Parliment/Funkadelic, and Spike Jones.  Our lead singer was a hacker chick that didn’t like our suggestions for costumes at first but then shocked us all with her own apparel consisting of wires, chips, several metal parts from various household appliances, and a revealing rubber catsuit.
5. My first year of college was at a church-affliated school where I got kicked out after just a few semesters.  One of my dormmates was a crazy Texan that one day insisted I needed a haircut after trimming it just a month ago, and so I had it shaved on the sides straight down to the skin with the help of another dormmate we all called “GQ” because of his pretty boy looks and preppy clothes.  Some dared me to stiffen the remaining hair into a mohawk but I wasn’t that gutsy.
6. [EDIT November 23, 2013- time to play again, and oops, need another item!]
Another apartment I lived in had some problems with crime.  There was a stabbing and two burglaries shortly after we moved in.  The children ran like wild dogs and would vandalize anything we had outside our unit if we dared to even scold them.
EDIT: To be fair to everyone, I’ll send the answers privately.  I will probably reveal all in another post, since I will only be messaging you as to the validity of your guess.

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The Proust Questionnaire makes the rounds

Last seen at Cori's VOX, as featured on [culture is good] here.

If you want to answer this, too, copy the text after this sentence.

The Proust Questionnaire has its origins in a parlor game popularized (though not devised) by Marcel Proust, the French essayist and novelist, who believed that, in answering these questions, an individual reveals his or her true nature. Here is the basic Proust Questionnaire.

1. What is your idea of perfect happiness?
Self-actualization.  In layman's terms, that is realizing everything I was meant to be.  Finally understanding the mystery of the Song of the Stars; see also here.  (Yes, that is all deliberately cryptic.)

2. What is your greatest fear?
Being unworthy of that which is described in #1 and therefore being declared a crazy fraud.

3. What is the trait you most deplore in yourself?
Fear of the past and future.

4. What is the trait you most deplore in others?
Those that would force their will upon others.

5. Which living person do you most admire?
For some, my answer might as well be "Mork from Ork" but I have a very clear recollection, as well as frequent reminders, of why I admire my God. 

6. What is your greatest extravagance?
Probably my Frankenstein-ish desktop computer.

7. What is your current state of mind?

8. What do you consider the most overrated virtue?
True virtue, to me, is not overrated; it is not susceptible to corruption or the vicissitudes of time.  Principles are not dependent upon people save by the interpretations by which they are perceived.

9. On what occasion do you lie?
Lawful Good is not the same as Lawful Neutral, for those of you that get the D&D reference.  I'm not a "rules lawyer" type that is all by the book and all letter of the law.  I have lied in the past, but I don't see a reason to justify it.  But neither do I believe in delivering "honesty" in a way that is cruel or harmful to others.

10. What do you most dislike about your appearance?
Well, the excess fat can be dealt with, eventually.  I hate my button nose and it's going to be quite a while before my boyish looks will be envied or seen as favorable.

11. Which living person do you most despise?
Despise?  Though I hold terrible grudges for years against someone who I feel has genuinely betrayed my trust, I never truly despise.  Fear, yes, for that is what is underneath layers of anger, hate, and suffering.  Pity, perhaps, if it seems that for now, they are lost to their destruction.

12. What is the quality you most like in a man?

13. What is the quality you most like in a woman?

My answer to #12 and #13 are pretty much the same– I admire those that are at peace with themselves and the world around them.

14. Which words or phrases do you most overuse?
Cimmorene has made fun of my frequent use of "fail", "epic", and other gamer terms as of late.  Many originate from the hacker culture, although I must admit I'm a hardware tinkerer and have little patience for code.

15. What or who is the greatest love of your life?
Cimmorene, who is truly my eternal companion.  I wish I could explain better somehow, but I will repeat the dream analogy if you wish.

16. When and where were you happiest?
Before the abuse.  That is all I care to discuss about that right now.  Since then, such things have been more respites and relief than pure, unfettered joy.

17. Which talent would you most like to have?
I would like to further develop and refine my dancing skills someday, if not pursue a thorough exploration of the martial arts and the philosophy that surrounds them (the Tao).

18. If you could change one thing about yourself, what would it be?
I want to better be able to live in the moment, to live for today, and not worry so much about yesterday or tomorrow; one day, hopefully, it would be one eternal round.

19. What do you consider your greatest achievement?
Making a family of my own, and realizing that things are NOT the way they were with my family of origin.  I am blessed to have a woman that loves me and children that are healthy and happy.

20. If you were to die and come back as a person or a thing, what would it be?
As much as I admire the philosophy of the East, I do not believe in reincarnation, and I think it unwise to focus too much on anything or anyone I am not.

21. Where would you most like to live?
Locale is not quite so important, as long as I have space to be alone and I am near those that love me.  But as far as environment, I would like to be near the mountains.

22. What is your most treasured possession?
My body, although it sometimes seems strange and foreign to me.  I do not know how to better explain this answer. 

23. What do you regard as the lowest depth of misery?
Being robbed of agency, either by one's own choices, or the choices of others.

24. What is your favorite occupation?
I am fond of mechanics, handymen, and those that work with moving parts.

25. What is your most marked characteristic?
My sense of humor is what helped me and many of my family of origin to survive.  Yes, really.

26. What do you most value in your friends?
That they accept me, warts and all.

27. Who are your favorite writers?
I don't think I have any standouts right now, save maybe Stan Lee.  Yes, I'm sorry I don't have any names of "great" fictional literature– it has been a long while since I honestly read fiction, although a friend has recommended some good SF (once I can get a written list from him).  I mostly read periodicals, reference materials, and other particular non-fiction.

28. Who is your hero of fiction?
The Silver Surfer, a.k.a. Norrin Radd, who was actually created by artist Jack Kirby (but whom Stan Lee wrote dialogue for).  I cannot explain here why I deeply relate to him.

29. Which historical figure do you most identify with?
I don't have one, although I guess George Washington is a favorite of mine.

30. Who are your heroes in real life?
Those that stand by their convictions and invite, not force, others to consider them.

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My life according to Depeche Mode

How to play if you want to play, too:

Using only song names from ONE ARTIST, cleverly answer these questions. Pass it on to people, including me. You can't use the band I used. Try not to repeat a song title. It's a lot harder than you think! Repost it as "My Life According to (BAND NAME)

1.Are you a male or female?
Boys Say Go!

2. Describe yourself:

3. How do you feel:
a. Shake The Disease

b. Painkiller

4. Describe where you currently live:
My Secret Garden

5. If you could go anywhere, where would you go:
World In My Eyes

6. Your favorite form of transportation:
Behind The Wheel

7. Your best friend is:
Happiest Girl

8.Your favorite color is:
Blue Dress

9. What's the weather like:
It's No Good

10. Favorite time of day:
Question of Time

11. If your life was a TV show, what would it be called:
It's Called A Heart

12. What is life to you:
Work Hard

13. Your current relationship:
The Sweetest Perfection

14. Looking for:
The Policy of Truth

15. Wouldn’t mind:
One Caress

16. Your fear:
Blasphemous Rumours

17. What is the best advice you have to give:
Shouldn't Have Done That

18. If you could change your name, you would change it to:

19. Thought for the Day:

20. How I would like to die:

New Life

21. My motto:
Get The Balance Right!

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A library meme: “Booking Through Thursday”

last seen at Jaime's VOX

1. How often do you use your public library and how do you use it?

I, personally, do not use it all that often, right now.  I would love to sit in the periodicals section and read as many newspapers, magazines, et al, as I can.  But usually when I go, it is when I am taking my children out, and I must keep an eye on them.  Besides that, I have not felt well enough to go on a regular basis.  Speaking of children, my wife goes regularly to get books for herself and for the kids.

2. Has the coffee shop/bookstore replaced the library?

You must be joking!  Let's be reasonable now; both have co-existed for quite some time.  Few people have the space and means to accomodate all their reading habits.  (If they do, well, I'd say they are a politician or an affluent business person that has gotten a library in their name.)  I would assume that what is implied is: "Has the coffee shop/bookstore replaced the library for you?" or "Which do you use more often?"  My answer to both would be the library.

I would like to point out, too, that "Friends of the Library" groups and library book sales can often hide some hidden treasures.  I purchased a contact grill cookbook for a mere 25 cents that way.  I would also point out that my sister (younger sister #2) and her husband (brother-in-law) are both librarians and I see no clear indicator that libraries are on the decline.  (There will always be people in school!)

3. Did you go to the library as a child? Do you have any memories of the library?

I learned to read when I was four, so I attended the library quite frequently as a child.

4. Do you like sleek, modern, active libraries or older, darker, quieter, cozy libraries?

I've never seen enough of a contrast in my community or in the areas I have lived in.  In short– I don't know what constitutes a "sleek, modern, active" library.  I guess I can say I would not attend my local branch library when the high schoolers have gotten out of class just across the street and are swarming the computers!  Anyways, yes, I prefer a quieter library that has an atmosphere more conducive to study.  Even if I am not staying long to leisurely read something, I still prefer it that way.

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5. Is it easier to get answers to questions at the library, or online at home?

While referencing online resources at home is very convenient, they will never replace the in-depth nature of printed material, in my opinion.  This seems to be much more true of books in particular, but I'd say this is a spectrum, depending on how well the material (printed or online) is written, the type of material presented (book, article, journal, etc.), and if it is current and up-to-date or more historically referenced.

I know the schools discourage Wikipedia for academic projects, such as term papers, which I think is about as it should be.  A well-written Wikipedia article will reference more conservative sources (including those in hardcopy print), and as such, should be used as a starting point at best for scholarly research.  Yes, I understand not everyone believes Wikipedia to be reliable, citing things such as crowd hacking, but I think that depends somewhat on the subject.  Besides, online encyclopedia projects are failing; it was not that long ago that Microsoft shut down Encarta.

6. What about e-books?

Amazon and Sony have made some great strides in digital book reader design.  Still, I don't think they will replace the experience of a book on paper for many people, at least not at this time.  But if e-books are more widely adopted, I would expect libraries to start integrating them into their systems, although how they would go about doing such as compared to commercial trading, I don't know.

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